Wednesday, January 17, 2007
SunSyn meets Magneto-Tube Random Noise Gen!
Another sent my way via shagghie.
"Went by the surplus store today and scored a gem of a module...a vintage HH Scott model 811-B Random Noise Generator... This thing is sick. So of course I ran it through my SunSyn and let the noise modulate the LPF Cutoff Freq. Here's the lofi version..hifi version up shortly after. Thing has ASA, RF, AF, and LF noise modes...anyone know what those stand for?"
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ASA is the same as pink noise, RF=radio freq, AF=audio freq, LF=low freq
ReplyDeleteDAMMIT!! y'all have such amazing gear, but every time someone posts a demo of them it's always some horrible noise or "experimental" crap... could someone use all these $$$$$'s worth of synths to make something beautiful for a change? no offense to whoever made this video,it's cool, and you were probably just testing it, I get it... but a lot of us who are in the market for these synths would like to know how they sound making actual music, since that's what we intend to do with them... not make some crazy racket for crazy racket's sake. (e.g. "plz watch my video where I randomly patch a synth playing some out of key random pattern through a modular and tear the shit out of it and distort it all to hell...for some reason, a scenario I've seen played out one too many times here in the past)
ReplyDelete=======END OF POINTLESS RANT=====
I really love vintage gear so much.
ReplyDeleteEven old cheap Pioneer reverbs. They sound soooo good. Much better than that 'Vermona' (sp?) one for instance.
One of the coolest things I got is a passive high/low/band pass filter that weighs about 20 pounds.
The crazy thing about this lab equipment is how expensive it was. I have what's essentially an HP Volume Control. Even used, when calibrated, sells for 700 bucks. One really cool filter I picked up has about a zillion moving parts and is very smooth. It cost about 16,500 new!
I'll be on the lookout for this excellent "HH Scott model 811-B Random Noise Generator"
i'm sick of ignorant closeminded fools who claim that something isn't music. if you don't have the imagination required to tell yourself "hey, if i chose to stop turning the knob here instead of doing what that person showing the entire range of the control did then i could use that sound to do this or that"
ReplyDeleteyour a moron. stop inflicting the world with your marginal headspace
Not all music must sound structured or "nice" or "beautiful"... experimental music is more than trying to be a crowd pleaser or creating a pop hook...
ReplyDeleteI keep trying to get sweet Brahms out of my Metasonix gear , and Frostwave Sonic Alienator, and BitrMan ....I just know that somewhere all that dissonance converges harmonically into the choir sounds of angels on ecstasy...all that is missing is that one elusive module that is on somebody's prototype bench aching for release but alas the road is steep, it is getting dark , and I am getting old too soon . ......sigh
ReplyDeleteBrian
actually I think Heaven must in reality be a pretty noisy place what with all those souls crowded in there so what you need is a sound that really cuts through the mix so to speak, a sweet little lyre just gets lost among all the others
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I keep trying to get sweet Brahms out of my Metasonix gear , and Frostwave Sonic Alienator, and BitrMan ....I just know that somewhere all that dissonance converges harmonically into the choir sounds of angels on ecstasy...all that is missing is that one elusive module that is on somebody's prototype bench aching for release but alas the road is steep, it is getting dark , and I am getting old too soon . ......sigh
ReplyDeleteBrian
actually I think Heaven must in reality be a pretty noisy place what with all those souls crowded in there so what you need is a sound that really cuts through the mix so to speak, a sweet little lyre just gets lost among all the others
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one click , double post , way cool!
ReplyDeleteHAH! "stop inflicting the world with your marginal headspace".... wow.
ReplyDeleteANYWAYS.... yes, as a working musician who must make a living making "music" I have found over time that most people (save for the people making it) don't regard noise and random waveforms being spit out of tube gear as music. it is it's own artform, I will give you that. an artform I don't happen to care much for.
My point was: It seems like EVERY demo on this site is noise or something... you almost never hear gear being put through it's paces in a more musical way.
So yeah, be a bit more open minded! Let the music machines make music, maybe just half the time?
hmm. i thought my buchla mashup was kinda neat.
ReplyDeletea friend wants me to do a sound like that for a porno movie he's making.
maybe i'll do like the hip hop producers and just rip off metal banjo :)
perhaps, anon, you would find what you like on iTunes.
Thanks for the breakdown on the noise types, that rocks. ASA and RF end up 'sounding' very similar on this unit as it sits, most likely uncalibrated for all I know.
ReplyDeleteYes, I agree most demos like mine here are not songs. This is a simple arp on the sunsyn. if you watch to the end, you will hear some very worthy bassline material that would be hard to get out of traditional gear or softsynths. If you aren't hearing it's application in music, then the demo might just sound like noise to you. I just ask that you don't forget the obvious here; this is a Random (unstructured, loose, haphazzard) Noise (unmusical, distorted, random) Generator (that's what it puts out).
I'm running it through a sunsyn to give only 1 way to use it. There are dozens of things to do with it. Like run it through a machinedrum to create nice percussions. But as you can hear at the end, what it does to the LPF is quite worthy! The voltage range between 0 -2.5volts is just short of perfect for modular integration, too...
As for my 'music', perhaps (and hopefully) you are referring to the Post War Jam vid above, and not this demo. In any case, I don't record songs anymore. I just jam, express my emotions creatively with machines. I'm a hacker, after all. So breaking sound down into itty bitty pieces and putting them back together again is a hobby for me, not a song, and seldom musical, but always surprising, different, and enjoyable.
As for the equipment, the SunSyn is incredible for making top-40 music. So is the machinedrum and the MEK.
The moog? well, ask Herbie Hancock or Chick Corea if they had any success with it..and remember, Herbie didn't start with top-40 back then, either, his stuff was as 'out there' as ever for back then. Still is, imo.
The HH Scott is a brilliant RNG, totally the best noise i've ever heard.
shaghie-
ReplyDeleteyeah man.... guess I was just wanting to hear more of the sunsyn. have been really searching to find a new analog. I have a mini, a voyager, and a ton of other random analogs. but I am leaning more towards getting another modern analog like the voyager just for longevity / reliability's sake. so the sunsyn is on the short list for sure... would love to hear it doing some mellow, musical type stuff. I get what you were doing here was a demo and a noise demo at that, I guess I just chose this post to rant about the whole demo thing in general.... not because of your demo in particular, just seeing a real sunsyn in the flesh made me get crazy I guess.... so yeah, hack on, awesome stuff.... just now and then would be cool to hear the more ambient / atmospheric side of these machines.
also, not sure why top 40 and itunes keeps coming up, I produce ambient electronic music which many regard as experimental... just in a different way than this I suppose.
cool, yeah, hey, I'll try to do a more mellow SunSyn vid, but after NAMM, right now the GAS is so bad that I can't even sit long enough to do one...
ReplyDeleteSunSyn is a nice Pad Monster, but it has a little more edge to its pads than most every other gear out there.
Even the most sublime pads it makes still are whispering.... "I want to jump out and bite your ear lobe off, if only you'd let me by opening up the envelope a little more..." stuff like that. Yes, the sunsyn makes a lot of folks a lot of crazy a lot of the time. Another humble recommendation for ambient pads with classic sound: polymorph. And for very musical tones, the tamer side of the evolver series is also quite pretty.
We're all just crazy now before NAMM, no need to get defensive anyone... make poly analog pad demos instead! :p