via the Roland Clan Forums
This one in via Soviet Space Child
Also see this post.
via wladymeer in the Roland Clan Forums thread:
"As it's meant for live performers, I don't think it's wrong at all. Especially because you could probably enter effect selection with SHIFT+ON/OFF shortcut and assign, lets say, distortion or delay instead of effect. Afterall, Juno-Stage had such knob next to high/low EQ.
Face it, Jupiter-80 is not gonna be next Fantom. Consider it more as a advanced stage piano. In other words, as a Nord Stage. I saw on one website that Nord Stage 73 costs $3.299,00 - you tell me - why Jupiter-80 can't cost the same if it's not workstation?And here's my overview of front panel buttons:
• USB MEMORY SONG PLAYER/RECORDER - guess we can record directly on USB thumb drive?
• D-BEAM section with typical assign: PITCH, VOLUME and ASSIGNABLE
• CONTROL section with:
Arpeggio: HOLD, ON/OFF for LOWER and UPPER and TEMPO (probably tap tempo)
bellow something that's called either VISUAL CONTROL or V-LINK CONTROL and HARMONY INTELIGENCE
and last is typical Roland TRANSPOSE, OCTAVE DOWN and UP
• PART BALANCE section:
LOWER, UPPER, SOLO faders with ON/OFF buttons
I can't read what's on that white fader, but my guess is just for piano sounds. You can see there are 3 "gray" buttons saying piano, e. piano and clav so my guess that fader is just for that type of sounds.
• Then we have some MENU and SHIFT buttons below display and 4 encoders in between with display showing what they're controlling, typical DEC/INC, wheel, EXIT and WRITE on the right...
• REVERB section with ON/OFF button
• SONG PLAYER/RECORDER with usual controls (so I guess, phrase recording will be possible)
And last row seems to have next (my best guess with (?) where I'm not sure):
• ROTARY SOUND section ON/OFF and SLOW/FAST buttons
• LOWER section:
- SPLIT
- BASS
- PAD
- CHOIR
- STRINGS
- SYNTH STRINGS (?)
- BRASS / SAX
- SYNTH BRASS (?)
- WOOD WINDS (?)
- Something white labeled
- ALTERNATE ON/OFF (guess every button has two alternates?)
• UPPER section:
- PIANO
- E. PIANO
- CLAV
- CHURCH BELLS (?)
- ??? BELLS (?)
- THEATER ORGAN (?)
- GUITAR
- SYNTH LEAD
- VIBES/MARIMBA
- ACCORDION/HARMONICA
- Something white labeled
- ALTERNATE ON/OFF
• SOLO section:
- VIOLIN
- TRUMPET
- SAX
- FLUTE
- OBOE (?)
- BELL
- Something white labeled
- ALTERNATE ON/OFF
- SOLO SPLIT
Beneath keybed, there is WRITE (or maybe REC?), PREV and NEXT buttons on the ends and in between it seems that it will have SH-201 system with 4 banks up with 8 patches per bank. Hope it's just USER bank but then again... come on... it's 2011 we're talking about! What's wrong with 1000 user slots idea?"
And via IgorChristo:
"This is the advertising on Keyboard Magazine - May 2011
I've managed to get a copy of the entire magazine (I know this is wrong!) from another forum, and this ad is at the beggining of the magazine.
I beleave he got it in this leaked version of the magazine."
Update 5/5/2011: Sounds & Demo Video from Musikmesse 2011 YouTube Uploaded by delamartv on Apr 5, 2011
"Roland Jupiter 80 http://www.delamar.de/news/musikmesse/
In diesem Video kannst Du den Roland Jupiter 80 etwas eindringlicher hören und sehen. Erfahre, wie dieser Synthesizer klingt, was der Roland Jupiter-80 kosten wird und wann er auf den Markt kommt.
Viel Spass bei diesem Roland Jupiter-80 Video"
Roland Jupiter-80 Musikmesse 2011 PREVIEW :)
Update:
Original Jupiter 8 Explained
YouTube Uploaded by DanKrisher on Apr 5, 2011
"The original JP8 was a live performance synth."
And some pics from Create Digital Music's post on the Jupiter-80 where you'll get Peter Kirn's take on the new synth. In simplest terms, the Jupiter-80 is being touted as a performers' synth with the emphasis on performance and playability. The video above makes the connection with the mindset behind the original Jupiter-8.
On the synthesis front, the Jupiter-80 uses Roland's SuperNATURAL engine."SuperNATURAL is more than a single sound, effect, or operation. Each type of instrument, whether string or keyboard, wind or percussion, ethnic or even electronic, subtly shapes sound in its own unique way. Particular characteristics enable different forms of tonal expressiveness. SuperNATURAL provides the ability to realistically shape the physical parameters of virtual instruments in organic and expressive ways. Across the broad and varied forms of Roland musical instruments, SuperNATURAL is the gateway to a new universe of expression.
SuperNATURAL is available in many forms. There are SuperNATURAL ARX expression boards for Fantom-G, for example. First out of the gate are the stunning ARX-01 Drums board and the ARX-02 Electric Piano Electric Piano. The RD-700GX has SuperNATURAL Electric Piano built in, giving you amazingly expressive electric piano sounds. In addition, thanks to SuperNATURAL technology, all the characteristic control of acoustic organs are provided on Roland’s Music Atelier Organs."
Update: the official description:
"One of the most revered prefixes in the history of synthesis returns. Welcome the arrival of the JUPITER-80— a live-performance powerhouse that pays homage to its legendary namesake with road-proven hardware and massive sound, yet blasts into the future with advanced SuperNATURAL technology. The JUPITER-80’s expressive, organic approach to synthesis makes a new world of sound design possible with multilayered SuperNATURAL textures under the control of a full-color touchscreen and creative hands-on controllers. Experience the metamorphosis of a legend with the all-new JUPITER-80!Powerful integrated SuperNATURAL synthesis engines designed for legendary vintage synth sounds to realistic organic acoustic sounds and more
Single Tone is equivalent to the performance of powerful single synthesizer—stack four of these to create a mind-blowing “Live Set”
Tone Blender tweaks multiple parameters of tones in realtime for complex, emotive sonic movement during performance
Fast, friendly operation with intuitive front panel and color touchscreen optimized for live performance
76-note semi-weighted synth keyboard, and 256 polyphonic voices (varies according to sound-generator load)
USB-memory Song Player/Recorder for backing tracks or quick idea capture
Easy integration with computers via built-in USB-MIDI/Audio interface
Past, Present, and Future SoundThe JUPITER-80 nods to its past with lethal, multi-layered SuperNATURAL synthesizer tones so fat you’ll need a knife to cut through it, but that’s only the beginning of what this powerhouse synth will do. Gigging musicians will love the stockpile of essential sounds onboard, including Roland’s famous SuperNATURAL Piano, strings, brass, and much more. The JUPITER-80 puts a fast-access user interface under your fingers—a dream for live performance. Its heavyweight design, complete with metal side panels, recalls the legendary JUPITER but with a modern twist.
Powerful Live Sets Featuring Four-Tone Structure and Registrations
JUPITER-80’s sound engine handles four x tones with dedicated DSP per tone as a basic unit “Live Set” for manual performance. Layering of Upper and Lower Live Sets, plus a specialized “SOLO” part, means the incredibly massive nine-tone-stack sound. Customized complex settings can be saved as Registrations, and easily recalled during live performance.Tone Blender
You will love the deep possibilities of the stackable SuperNATURAL architecture and unique features such as Tone Blender, which tweaks values of multiple parameters simultaneously and lets you “Capture” any new combination and save it as a Live Set. Create complex, emotional textures that respond, react, and evolve like nothing you’ve heard before. Tone Blender can also dramatically enhance your live-performance capabilities by letting you assign its multiple parameters to controllers such as the D Beam."
And the official site is live. You'll find the intro video there.
Updates 4/6:: new demos added below.
Howard Jones and the Roland Jupiter-80 Synthesizer
YouTube Uploaded by SoundsLiveShop on Apr 6, 2011
"Howard Jones, he of the amazing haircut and baggy jumpers, knows a thing or two about synths and live performance. Here, Howard Jones talk about the new Roland Jupiter 80 synthesizer. Launched at Musik Messe 2011, the Roland Jupiter-80 revives one of the great names in music synthesis and it's a recognition of the renewed interest in synths by musicians of all genres."
Roland Jupiter 80 Synth Overview
Uploaded by SoundsLiveShop on Apr 6, 2011
"Roland promised something big for Musik Messe 2011 - it is! The Jupiter-80 brings one of the most revered names in synths into the modern era. Roland appear to be aiming the Jupiter 80 squarely at the live performer who wants easy access to some of the best sounds available. The Jupiter-80 is absolutely stacked: - SuperNatural synthesis engines for vintage sounds - Stackable tones to create 'multi-synth' live sets - Tone Blender - 76 semi-weighted keys - Built-in USB-MIDI/Audio interface The Roland Jupiter-80 - Check it out!"
Update 4/6 10:21 PST:
MusikMesse 2011 - Roland Jupiter-80 1/3
Uploaded by accordoTV on Apr 6, 2011
"MusikMesse 2011 - 1"
MM2011 - Roland Jupiter-80
Uploaded by accordoTV on Apr 6, 2011
http://audio.accordo.it/articles/2011/04/51102/mm2011-roland-jupiter-80.html
Uploaded by RockoNCompany on Apr 6, 2011
YouTube Uploaded by HarmonyCentral on Apr 6, 2011
"Choosing the demo for this video was a tough call, because the demo player did three totally different ones - from a Zappa-esque piece in 15/16, to a more lyrical demo, to an electro-type mashup called "Oh My God." This is the techno one, because I think most people weren't expecting that kind of sound from the Jupiter-80. Yes, it does strings, brass, pianos, and all that...but this demo shows that there's more to this synth than meets the spec sheet."
YouTube Uploaded by musotalk on Apr 7, 2011
When I first heard the rumors about the Jupiter-80, I knew that there was no way that it would what I'd want from a new Jupiter range synth. Well, this confirms it.
ReplyDeletei think they ruined the name of juno and sh, and it´s the turn for jupiters. jeezzz, at least it seems korg is coming up with some analog stuff at Musikmesse.
ReplyDeleteFAIL
ReplyDeleteNooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!
ReplyDeleteSo. Juno-Stage, with a colour display and a new name.
ReplyDeleteYour move, Korg.
Oh man this sucks. Cashing in on the classics. Why can't they do something like the new Prophets & Moogs?
ReplyDeleteTo Roland share holders: if this is really the answer to the Jupiter-8; imagine what they will do to the TR-808... To a company that had such a legacy and miss it that afterwards, I have no words...
ReplyDeleteIf it was all analog, only 8 voices, no reverb, no all-in-one sequencer, no D-BEAM: instant buy. But a repackaged Juno-Stage. No.
"Your move, Korg" indeed...
I concur, what a disappointment!
ReplyDeleteasb2m10, they already did with mc 800 and 909, but this is ultimate epic fail.
ReplyDeleteOnce again Roland spins hyperbole around a classic name.
ReplyDeleteSynthesizer users are obviously no longer a target audience or a concern for Roland. At least Korg is keeping things interesting.
It's a shame to think we'll never see a quality instrument like the JP-8000 again.
New Roland moto: "We designed the Future"
ReplyDeleteTime to get your hands on theses vintage T-Shirt : http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ROLAND-T-SHIRT-We-design-Future-Size-XL-/180637594988
Oh my goodness... NO!!!
ReplyDeleteThis seems like a Juno-G or Juno Stage with Jupiter-8 colors.
What in the world? :(
The real Jupiter-8s have some waveforms to pick with this thing.
Apparently the Roland whose synths I used to lust after as a teenager is gone. I was sad when they exploited and ruined the Juno name, but I somehow thought they would never do such a thing to the Jupiter name. They did. A "proper" new Jupiter need not be analog in my opinion, but it should be an interesting, new, innovative synth. This keyboard is not that. Goodbye, Roland.
ReplyDeleteDid anyone else get the impression that the guy explaining the Jupiter 8 didn't really know what he was talking about? He spent more time describing the colored buttons than the synth engine, and he incorrectly described the envelopes as being controllers for the two oscillators.
ReplyDeleteAnd notice how Roland is trying to circumvent criticism of the Jupiter 80 by describing the Jupiter 8 as being intended to replicate acoustic instruments? Appalling.
It looks like a cheezy organ my grandmother used to play in the 80's.
ReplyDeleteWhile I admit it sounds nice it's no relation of the Jupiter 8 other than it's wannabe color scheme and Roland shouldn't be playing on the Jupiter name like this.
ReplyDeletePoor Howard's gonna get a lot of flack for that video but then again he's looking at it from a new instrument point of view and he's not comparing it to the original so I can see where he's coming from.
Mind you good or bad if someone was to give me one (even for a short while) I'd probably be saying how wonderful it is too ;)
Seemed like to me that Howard was kind of struggling to say something good about it. Of course, it won't sound like the Jupiter 8. It can make some cool sounds but why not call it something new because it doesn't seem to have much in common with the original. And at that price, why not add some analog filters.
ReplyDeletei am laughing at Roland. This is so pathetic. People aren't interested enough in their plastic ROMpler garbage so they think to jam it into a the appearance of a Jupiter 8 -ish look? HAHAHAHAHAHA. WEAK. FAIL. This proves Roland makes plastic garbage... have fun with your Jupiter80 and GAIA Roland lovers.
ReplyDeletethe gaia was a better move and i don't even think it's good..
ReplyDeletebooooo fail !
Seemed to me that Howard really dug it. Jesus Christ! Why is everyone getting their panties in a bunch over a keyboard they have never even heard?
ReplyDeleteI can see this being massively useful in a band setting. lots of great synth and "real" instrument sounds that you can easily split and layer or even mangle if you wish.
You guys that are all upset, can you honestly tell me that you would have run out and bought it if it were an 8 voice all analog polysynth? Honestly? Because you can buy one right now. It's called a Studio Electronics Code 8. Go look at the price. If this Jupiter 80 were something similar it would cost even more and you would be complaining that it wasn't going to street at $1,499.00.
I agree; the Gaia is a better bet if you want VA sounds and a live panel, for 1/5 of the street price; Gaia looks MORE interesting to me, now. It cracks me up to hear them say, breathlessly :"There's NEVER been anything that sounds like this!! ..." or whatever; um, yeah, there was - it's called the Jupiter-8 :)
ReplyDeleteShouldn't it cost less for them to build a new analog polysynth in this day and age where surface mount parts cost fractions of a cent?
ReplyDeleteIt does look like a useful keyboard for those who need a combination of acoustic emulations and synth sounds, but then that's true for the Fantom and the VR-700, too. The complaints all stem from the fact that most readers here seem to think that this does not warrant the "Jupiter" name. Jupiter synths were special synths devoted to synthesis, they were not bread-and-butter, all-arounder keyboards. When the Jupiters were in production, Roland made other bread-and-butter keyboards and electronic "pianos" whose names might have been more appropriate for resurrection.
ReplyDeletei think the real issue here is that they are shlepping this dog under the legendary Jupiter name. that's just bullshit, awful marketing bullshit. call it the Fantom 2 or something else. this thing is not jupiter class.
ReplyDeleteHow sad. I wonder who made the business case for that pathetic thing.
ReplyDeleteIt's sort of funny when you look at all of the negative comments about the use of the holy Jupiter name. "Is it right? Why isn't it analog? Oh I'm so disappointed. Fail!"
ReplyDeleteI think that if you took this JP-80 back in time and offered it to Howard Jones in exchange for his JP-8, he would have jumped on it. There were people back then who would have cheerfully murdered for an instrument with the possibilties of this one. How jaded we have become in this modern age of everything for cheap and free.
Well I have heard, seen, and tried the Jupiter 80. Got the full demo at NAMM - well at a secret location in the Hilton.
ReplyDeleteI was honored to be asked to see it, but told my hosts that the reaction was going to be pretty much the above comments. The Jupiter 80 isn't what the Jupiter 8 was - an analog synth that could create immense analog sounds. But it is, in fairness, what the Jupiter 8 was TRYING to be - a performance keyboard that could emulate 'real' sounds. The technology wasnt there for the Jupiter 8 to do so in any way other than through analog synthesis, and now its readily available via PCM,PhysModel, etc.
Roland, like most tech companies, have an internal mandate to move forward. What 'forward' means is subjective and not my point. Though the Jupiter 80 may not have many of the features I hold dear to the Jupiter name, I cannot outright dismiss Roland's interpretation of their own legacy and products.
It didn't seem like a keyboard for me when i saw it, but if they set out to adhere to what they felt the original Jupiter 8 mandate was - create a performance synth that can emulate a broad palette of real sounds, then they did it.
And they have been doing that a long time - just without the Jupiter name, and therefore controversy, attached.
This keyboard should have been called the RS-5000. Regardless of any (debatable) claim that the Jupiter 8 was meant to be an acoustic emulation keyboard, there's just no arguing with the fact that its name has become inseparably associated in musicians' minds with high-quality *synthesis.*
ReplyDeleteThe Jupiter 80 is much more like an exciting update to the RS-505, which allowed keyboard players to play bass, string, and polyphonic synth sounds in one keyboard. Very useful, great sound, not a serious synthesizer.
Additionally, regardless of the name, the color scheme is insulting: It cynically assumes we'll be taken in by nostalgic cosmetics, transferring some of our reverence for a classic synth to this keyboard. That kind of marketing does not work for me. If I wanted such a gigging keyboard, I'd prefer to consider the many similar alternatives.
Roland is out to make money, not rekindle your childhood dreams. And the Jupiter-80 will do exactly that: Make truckloads of money.
ReplyDeleteFor all those who want to relive their analog youth, there are plenty of boutique companies out there that will cater to your desires.
With the legendary name Jupiter we dreamed of analog and here is a rompler again... It's incomprehensible !!
ReplyDeleteRIP Roland !
It's a shame such a deception.
Maybe the'd make more money if they didn't alienate a significant fraction of their customers?
ReplyDelete